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If you are getting your news from "Fox & Friends", I would suggest that you're not getting a very complete picture of the world.

If Cindy Sheehan has said "America is not worth dying for", and the quote has not been severely edited, I agree that it is a very radical statement.

I don't believe that we are in Iraq for the sake of the freedom or security of our country.

We needed a "hard target" to go after, and Osama Bin Laden in Afganistan or Pakistan didn't fit.

We all new that Sadaam was a bad man, so we went after him.

The result has been less that good.  I think that the country is frustrated with a war that doesn't seem to be helping the Iraqis or us.  As a result, more people are questioning the wisdom of sending our men and women off to die, not for American freedom, but for political interest.

I probably don't have much in common with the people who normally write here, but I saw your post and felt the need to comment.

I am sorry for the loss of your daughter.

It's documented. She said it. Not a question of "if" or spinning.http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17915

If you don't like that link, google it.

And ... with the polls. I'm not so sure that it reflects an anti-war, or anti-Bush feeling as much as it reflects people who think we need to be more aggressive and less political there. (But nobody's asking that)

Hi and thank you for responding to my post in a respectable manner. I am a newbie in here, and I am always scared to read answers.

It's true what Cindy Sheehan said. I have found out more information from other channels - it has been on more than Fox & Friends.

She was at a rally for Lynn Stewart - I have no idea who Lynn Stewart is other than the fact that she was a lawyer convicted of aiding terrorism.  This rally was in April of this year.  Cindy Sheehan attended the rally and spoke at the rally.  The video shows a partial scan of the room, and it is made up of all women.

Right now, Iraq is practically the center of terrorism and I just wish that the Iraqi's would get their Constitution finished, get their elections finished, and possibly the Country would become stable in time and we can start reducing the number of troops.  I know that there will still be terrorism. I don't think that it will ever completely go away, but I believe it will eventually decrease if Iraq does what they are supposed to do and the war ends.  The thing about Iraq is that we did get rid of a monster who killed and beheaded people, including children, for no reason. I believe Saddam was involved in 9/11.  I think he helped fund it.  And I still think he had weapons of mass destruction that were hidden or trashed as they watched our troops make their way to Bagdad on tv.

Cindy Sheehan also said this - I finally could hear this part:

"If Bush thinks this war is so important, then he needs to send his little party going daughters to Iraq to fight."

Last I checked, we still had a voluntary armed services and I don't think the President of the United States should make anyone go, whether it's his own daughters or not.

She is radical - that is for sure. And being at a rally for a woman who was convicted of aiding terrorism?  It makes you wonder what else she has done.  Maybe she does need to go to another country.

Thank you for responding to my post and being so nice. I appreciate it very much.

Oh my gosh, I have just spent an hour reading the entire article of April 4, 2004. I understand the entire situation now. Thank you so much for providing me with that article. Casey Sheehan is a TRUE AMERICAN HERO WHO LOVED HIS COUNTRY. His mother is not.

Thank you again!

You are very welcome.  I respect your opinions regarding this very contentious subject.  I would, however like to make sure you are hearing the whole story.

In a bit of misinformation, Fox and others quoted her as saying "America is not worth dying for", but in fact said "This country is not worth dying for...", and if you read the entire transcript of the speech in question, it is clear that the country to which she is refering is IRAQ.

The entire transcript of that rally is here - http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/Articles/Stewartrally.htm

If you read the part that follows "This country is not worth dying for", you'll see that she actually advocates going after the folks who did attack us,  "...If we're attacked, we would all go out. We'd all take whatever we had. I'd take my rolling pin and I'd beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq."

This was an echo of an sentiment expressed by Jess Ghannamm, who earlier in the same rally said, "In closing, let me say it's really important we connect the dots here, that we understand that what is happening to our comrade Lynne Stewart is connected to a larger political thing that's going on in terms of an imperial expansion. Not just in Iraq, not just in Palestine, not just in the Middle East, but here in our country here, and we have to defend it. It's worth dying for, we have to understand that..."

Cindy Sheehan said some other things in that rally that you may or may not agree with, but please demand of your news-gatherers that they get it right if they are trying to discredit and villify someone.

Yes, context is always helpful. Let's back up a few sentences:

I take responsibility partly for my son's death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bulls**t to my son and my son enlisted. I'm going all over the country telling moms: "This country is not worth dying for.

So, objective observer, which country is she referring to?

In fact, Iraq was the country Sheehan said was not worth dying for, as this complete quote from a transcript at wikipedia shows:

I'm going all over the country telling moms: "This country is not worth dying for. If we're attacked, we would all go out. We'd all take whatever we had. I'd take my rolling pin and I'd beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq." {applause}

THANK YOU!!!  If she was at a rally for Lynn Stewart and she is so angry with President Bush and so anti-war, my opinion is that she was referring to America.  I am sorry, but I do not believe she was referring to Iraq.  I spent over an hour picking and reading through 2 or 3 articles, reading about Lynn Stewart and the others involved in that particular rally.  I still believe she was referring to America.  Thank you for responding to my post. i really appreciate it.

I received this from another posting:

"Yes, context is always helpful. Let's back up a few sentences:

I take responsibility partly for my son's death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bulls**t to my son and my son enlisted. I'm going all over the country telling moms: "This country is not worth dying for.

So, objective observer, which country is she referring to?"

If that isn't enough for you, then think about the fact that she was at a rally for LYNN STWEART, who was covicted of aiding terrorism. I still say she is referring to America. She hates President Bush and she is an extreme, radical when it comes to the topic of war and that is what the rally was about.

Thank you for your comments and I hope you can agree to disagree.

I think that what Cindy was saying is that we have been lead to trust in our leaders without questioning their true motives for going to war.

She now realizes that just because someone is elected, or otherwise becomes president doesn't mean that they view the American people's well-being as the most important goal of their office.

We as a people will continue to be misled until we hold those accountable whom we have given the power to govern us and send our men to war.  It shouldn't be viewed as unpatriot to question those in authority when we begin to see that what they have proposed is wrong.  This land is worth fighting for, and if anyone tried to invade or occupy us I am sure that our men and women would stand up with the same courage that they have shown throughout history and I sure that Cindy Sheehan would be there fighting tooth and nail.

But why should we fight so that oil companies can continue to make record profits at our expense, and with the blood of our youth.

why should we fight so that oil companies can continue to make record profits at our expense

Aren't you at all concerned that people will think you're some kind of 'grassy knoll' kookburger for asking that? I mean, what in the world would make you think that was the case?

was that oil companies in Iraq weren't making enough money at the moment.

I submit that a better place to be angry about oil companies and the government is the energy bill Christmas gift.

was only found guilty of aiding FBI agents who were posing as Arabian illegal immigrants.  Aside from the fact that it is highly improbable that any given Arabian trying to enter the country illegally intends to aid terrorism, the agents entrapped her (she has said repeatedly that she refused to help them several times, but they basically harassed her).  Stewart is most certainly not pro-terrorism.

And even if you disagree with this, understand that that is the view of Sheehan and other anti-war activists.  We will condemn anyone we think is guilty, and support anyone we think has been wrongly convicted.  Osama bin Ladin deserves jail, but Lynn Stewart does not.

Whatever....Cindy Sheehan is still a left wing, radical.

Oh yeah, reaL good article. Here's what I got:

..."Sorry, No articles posted for (4/4/2004)..."

I read her entire speech. I disagree that it is obvious she meant THIS COUNTRY. I think she WAS talking about Iraq.

However, if I am mis-reading or misunderstanding her intent, she explains herself further when she says this:

"When Congress gave George Bush the right to go to war, they abrogated their constitutional responsibilities and they basically made our constitution null and void. We have no checks and balances in this country. We have no recourse.  The people are good, the system is morally repugnant." In other words, This system, THIS president, is NOT worth dying for.

It would be a different story if Casey was sent there to actually protect OUR freedoms. This war in Iraq has nothing to do with preserving American freedoms, at least not the ones Americans are proud of.

In Gaelic, the name "Sheehan" means "peace maker.

There have been many brave people throughout history who have gone up against established governments and kingdoms who were thought to be dangerous as well as crazy.

Hmmm... perhaps you whacky red-staters can think of one or two? HINT: We call them the founding fathers.

To those that still support this president and war, help is out there to aid you in distinguishing fact from fantasy. For over two years now, you have been spoon fed by this administration a fantasy and for the greater good... please get some therapy.

*I will leave you with this one quote by St. Joan of Arc: "I fear nothing, except treason."

Cindy Sheehan fears nothing and has gone up against a treasonous president and a treasonous government.  

For an insulting username.

For insulting the site's users:

"you have been spoon fed by this administration a fantasy and for the greater good... please get some therapy."

And for accusing the administration of treason with no evidence or grounds:

"a treasonous president and a treasonous government"

You are being escorted from the stage.  Good bye.

I totally disagree with EVERYTHING you said and I take GREAT offense to it; however, I am not here to fight. I am here to learn more about the Republican party I am extremely proud of and the leader of our Country and the things he has done since he took office - which are A LOT of GOOD things whether you agree or not.

He walked into a mess when he took over the Presidency.He is a good man with a very compassionate heart and I am sorry to tell you that you are in the minority.  Cindy Sheehan DID say "AMERICA IS NOT WORTH DYING FOR." It has been all over the news that she said it and basically, things are over for her using her deceased son as a "prop" in the anti-war movement. Even if she did say "THIS PRESIDENT IS NOT WORTH DYING FOR," that is basically the same thing as saying "AMERICA IS NOT WORTH DYING FOR" since he IS the leader of our Country.

Even when Bill Clinton was President for 8 years, and I didn't agree with A LOT of the things he did, I still respected him as the leader of our Country.  

Obviously, you are just another left-wing, radical liberal, who could care less about respecting our President, and that the words Cindy Sheehan is saying may be affecting the moral of our troops.  What about them?  Do you even care?  

My 18 yr. old daughter died in a car accident in August, 2002, and I miss her with every breath I take.  If there were any reason that came before me, I would NEVER use my daughter as a "prop" for any reason. When you say "what a silly site," are you referring to my daughter's memorial site?  If so, you are extremely hard and your heart has no compassion. If that is just a part of your username, I think you need to stay on your liberal website and keep your very ugly comments to yourself. You need help with bitterness EXTREMELY BAD.

Respectfully, myangeljill  

Dear Adam: Thank you. Yes, I think that this person needs therapy EXTREMELY bad.  She needs to stay on her left-wing, radical, extremeist websites and let the outrage she has out in that site.  I appreciate your words very much.

Respectfully, myangeljill

that oil companies in Iraq are not making enough money, and the terrorism and infrastructure sabotage is what is driving the price of oil up. Our domestic companies are reaping the profits from that... they don't have to pay extra security and can sell oil at $65/barrel.

Not only did Exxon Mobil make almost $7 billion profit in the last 3 months, but they also got billions of pork from the energy bill.

Are oil companies at fault for the security situation in Iraq? I don't think so. I think it is pretty sick that we subsidize their profits even more.